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Zen Curmudgeon
05-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Lots in the news and from the Administration about the error that preceded deadly riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East. Does seem strange that officials, like Rumsfeld, who managed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, are worried now about the "damage" to the reputation of America in the Muslim world - as if blowing up civilians from stealth bombers is less damaging than an erroneous news report.

Looks like there's plenty of blame to share here - but I bet the Administration fails to acknowledge its contributions to this sad mess.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/15/AR2005051500605.html

"There had been previous reports about the Koran being defiled, but they always seemed to be rumors or allegations made by sources without evidence," Whitaker said, referring to reporting by British and Russian news agencies and by the Qatar-based satellite network al-Jazeera. The Washington Post, whose parent company owns Newsweek, reported a similar account in March 2003, attributing it to a group of former detainees. "The fact that a knowledgeable source within the U.S. government was telling us the government itself had knowledge of this was newsworthy," Whitaker said in an interview.

He said that a senior Pentagon official, for reasons that "are still a little mysterious to us," had declined to comment after Newsweek correspondent John Barry showed him a draft before the item was published and asked, "Is this accurate or not?" Whitaker added that the magazine would have held off had military spokesmen made such a request. That official "lacked detailed knowledge" of the investigative report, Newsweek now says. Whitaker said Pentagon officials raised no objection to the story for 11 days after it was published, until it was translated by some Arab media outlets and led to the rioting.(emphasis added)

Take Care -

ZC

Hell To Pay
05-17-2005, 04:24 AM
It's the reporter's job to verify what he prints is accurate, not the Pentagons. The Pentagon's job is to kill scumbag Islamofacists.

Newsweak lied, people died.

Newsweak and Isikoff will suffer a tremendous amount of monetary damage by the time their treasonous deed runs it's course.

Watch and learn what happens to lying leftists.

sweet_chin_music
05-17-2005, 07:19 AM
He said that a senior Pentagon official, for reasons that "are still a little mysterious to us," had declined to comment after Newsweek correspondent John Barry showed him a draft before the item was published and asked, "Is this accurate or not?" Whitaker added that the magazine would have held off had military spokesmen made such a request. That official "lacked detailed knowledge" of the investigative report, Newsweek now says. Whitaker said Pentagon officials raised no objection to the story for 11 days after it was published, until it was translated by some Arab media outlets and led to the rioting.[/i]

It was the responsibility of Newsweek to make sure the article they published was accurate. Going to a source and saying "Is this true?" is not good fact checking. This is along the same lines of what Dan Rather and the CBS news team did concerning "Rathergate". If a news outlet is going to run a story, then they need to make sure they have covered all the bases in the confirmation stage. They can't simply come back when they are proved wrong and say "But they didn't deny it!"

If I were to write an article about how the Broncos were moving to L.A. and one of the few fact checking exercises I used was showing the letter to the Broncos organization and taking their silence as an affirmation, then I haven't done my job at all.

large
05-17-2005, 11:46 AM
Sometimes I agree with Rusty, sometimes I don't . . but in this case, I think he's close enough, that I won't have to work too hard on this one:

Quoteth . . .

(...) Sure, Newsweek did what the mainstream media does best in a world that places more importance on getting the story out first than on getting the story out right;* they researched, wrote a piece, trashed the administration and our country, trashed the reputation of our military, and got the story out to the world - wrongly. Subsequently, sparked by a single paragraph in Newsweek alleging that US military interrogators had desecrated the Koran, a wave of anti-American demonstrations swept the Islamic world from the Gaza Strip to the Java Sea. In the past week it was condemned in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Malaysia and by the Arab League, and on Sunday, Afghan Muslim clerics threatened to call for a holy war against the United States. Think about it, this is from a sub-population of our planet that refers to themselves as peaceful? What does this say about their culture, their thoughtfulness, their mindset, their ability for rational thought and their suitability to join in the rest of mankind in making our planet a better place to live ?

(...)* Newsweek got it wrong, the Arab press never bothered to verify the alleged toilet episode any more than did Newsweek, and the mindless, tantrum-like violence sparked by the false story showed all of us the true face of the Islamic culture today - a sick and violence-prone society, enveloped and characterized more by hate than by love of God and humanity, and badly in need of reform.

Unquoteth . . . "Rusty Shakleford; My Pet Jawa"


And Zen, there are no "Civilians" in the Arab World, they just proved it again, for about the "Hundredth" time!

Zen Curmudgeon
05-17-2005, 04:44 PM
Let's see, last week it was the opinion of the senior American military official in Afghanistan that the riots would have taken place anyhow.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2005/tr20050512-secdef2761.html

Presenter: Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and Air Force General Richard Myers, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:00 p.m. EDT

Q: Do either one of you have anything about the demonstrations in Afghanistan, which were apparently sparked by reports that there was a lack of respect by some interrogators at Guantanamo for the Koran. Do either one of you have anything to say about that?

GEN. MYERS: It's the -- it's a judgment of our commander in Afghanistan, General Eikenberry, that in fact the violence that we saw in Jalalabad was not necessarily the result of the allegations about disrespect for the Koran -- and I'll get to that in just a minute -- but more tied up in the political process and the reconciliation process that President Karzai and his Cabinet is conducting in Afghanistan. So that's -- that was his judgment today in an after- action of that violence. He didn't -- he thought it was not at all tied to the article in the magazine.

This week, all that's forgotten and the Adminstration is wailing on Newsweek for single-handedly igniting riots in the Muslim world. The comments of Mr. McClellan are especially interesting since his office in the White House is the one that authorized gay prostitute-turned-GOP Journalist Jeff Gannon to attend White House briefings for over two years. "Standards"? Hmm...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newsweek_05-16-05.html (excerpts)

White House spokesman Scott McClellan on Monday said Newsweek's initial response was puzzling, saying the story had not met journalistic standards by relying on a single anonymous source "who could not personally substantiate the allegation that was made."

"The report has had serious consequences," McClellan said. "People have lost their lives. The image of the United States abroad has been damaged."

Wait a minute...I'm confused...was it that that article didn't matter, as our General Eikenberry said, or that Newsweek sparked a mini-bloodbath, as Mr. McClellan said?

Speaking of the military side of the story...

In a statement, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the original story was "demonstrably false" and "irresponsible," and "had significant consequences that reverberated throughout Muslim communities around the world."

"Unfortunately, they cannot retract the damage they have done to this nation or those that were viciously attacked by those false allegations," he said, reported the AP.

So I guess General Myers & General Eikenberry or Mr. McClellan & Mr. Whitman is correct and Newsweek did or did not damage the USA's reputation and/or did or did not lead to deadly riots.

Tough to keep up.

Just one more note about the "credibility" issue of Newsweek's principal reporter on the Gitmo story. His name is Michael Isikoff. Some may recall that he was the reporter Linda Tripp of Lewinsky-gate kept on speed dial.

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=508

From AJR, December 1998 issue
The Isikoff Factor

Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff's stories and inquiries played a major role in shaping developments on the road toward impeachment.

By Alicia C. Shepard
Alicia C. Shepard is a former AJR senior writer.

HE DIDN'T "BREAK" THE STORY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT and the intern, but that's a technicality. Michael Isikoff was the first journalist to learn of the liaison between President Clinton and former White House intern Monica Lewinsky--long before Matt Drudge revealed online in January that Newsweek had held up Isikoff's initial story on the saga (see ``A Scandal Unfolds," March).

Seems his use of one source back then was pretty okey-dokey with Republicans and others, but now...

Take Care -

ZC

Hell To Pay
05-17-2005, 05:06 PM
Isikoff sat on the story on instructions from his editors who did not want the rapist treasonous scumbag president harmed.

News Weak only went ahead with the story after it was broke, and big news.

News Weak is and always has been a biased for leftists rag, and now everyone knows it. No credibility.

News Weaks editorial agenda has been to harm America and the patriotic right with whatever they could get away with, and are laughing about the harm they have now caused and about the deaths of our troops in the near future due to their untruthful reporting.

Zen Curmudgeon
05-23-2005, 03:44 PM
In a press conference with President Bush, President Karzi states the riots were not the result of the Newsweek article. He did criticize the magazine for placing the items in "a gossip" article, though.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050523.html

PRESIDENT KARZAI: Ma'am, yes, we discussed those questions on the -- on the demonstrations, or the so-called demonstrations in part of the -- parts of Afghanistan. You saw that government buildings were burned and private property was damaged, broken. Those demonstrations were, in reality, not related to the Newsweek story. They were more against the elections in Afghanistan; they were more against the progress in Afghanistan; they were more against the strategic partnership with the United States. (emphasis added)

Take Care -

ZC

Steve M
05-23-2005, 05:32 PM
...the patriotic right...

This made me laugh out loud.

Hell To Pay
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
So how many conservatives have you seen burning the US flag lately Steve? Please elaborate.

I can show you many recent photos of leftists such as Zen's "noble" Stalinists at ANSWER desecrating the US flag.

BTW, Here is the latest News-weak cover, which the leftist Zen will surely applaud, an International Edition, this one happens to be in Japanese. It translates to "AMERICA FORSAKEN-The Day America Died — The ideal of ‘freedom’ falls to the ground due to Bush continuing in office."

http://e.1asphost.com/garity/NewsweekFlagTrash.jpg

This is the American Edition.

http://e.1asphost.com/garity/Ghe87957.jpg

The Democrat biased leftist publications of the Washington Post hate the right so much, they would crap on the patriotic symbols of our nation, portray the US badly as to be loathed internationally, and put our boys at war in body bags just so they can smear Bush.

Do you find that funny too, Steve?

MoralCompass
05-24-2005, 02:19 AM
I was just wondering, is it even possible to flush something the size of the Koran down the loo? I'm guessing not, unless maybe it is dismantled first. One thing is for sure though, between the photos we saw from Abu Ghraib and Sadam in his tidy-whites surely there are plenty of nitwits to go around. Surely the press had to know that the Arab world would have a coniption fit over those pics. I did find it amazing that all the "legitimate media" showed pictures of the pictures as if that was somehow less offensive to present a picture of the cover of that British rag.

Of course, I would love for "W" to explain just who is running the show. I mean really, bad intelligence to go to war. Then the prison scandal. Now Sadam in his drawers. It is one thing for the press to run the photos, but I want to know why these pictures even exist in the first place, and instead of whining about the media running embarrassing pics, I want my President to prevent these actions and the resulting pictures from happening in the first place. I think everyone believed the Koran in the toilet story precisely because nobody seems to be in charge, and there are pics to prove it in the other instances.

Just a guess on my part, but I'd bet some guy threatened to flush the Koran if somebody didn't co-operate, and that was probably the extent of that whole thing. I guess Bush never heard the phrase "loose lips sink ships", or if he has, he hasn't made it clear to Rummy and his underlings.

large
05-24-2005, 11:34 AM
This is another one of those "Are we talking about the same thing?" deals . . Don't wanna get off on a rant here, but . . .

Did the Christian World go on "Tilt!" when the Palestinians holed up in a Christian landmark in Jeruselem, defaced the inside, used it as a fortress and used pages from the Bibles within as toilet paper?

NOPE! And I believe it was Diana West in her column this morning that said the same thing as well as other examples . . . It really doesn't matter whether Newsweek was right or not . . Where does that kind of ignorant racist reaction come from . . a group of people who are unwilling to accept any other group of humans who believe differently . . As the Quran states collectively, the non believers must be killed before Armageddon can occur . . If you ain't one of them, then you're one of us . . and if you're one of us . . you're a target for one of them . . .

That may sound Racist, but when you get past all the semantics and B.S., that's the way it shakes out!

And they are collectively, the most ignorant group of people in the world! How many airplanes are designed and built in the Islamic World? How many cars? How many Weapons? How many toasters? The total output of 95% of the Islamic countries is zip, with the exception of Oil Production, which they wouldn't have, were it not for western technology and western engineers. They excell at spending money and loading guns . . and I've said this before, the best possible solution could be to build a fence around the whole damned mess, and set ammunition at the gates till no one comes to get it!

They are the only people in the world that can have a wedding and kill a dozen people celebrating . . because they aren't yet smart enough to understand that if you shoot 40 rounds out of an AK 47 into the air, the bullets will come back down! At Arafat's Funeral 9 people were killed by stray bullets!

You'll notice, also, that when one of the citizens of one of those cuntries gets his degree in just about anything, and can pass the necessary licensing tests in the United States, he migrates, and instantly applies for citizenship . . . I saw a statistic a while back, that said, for every doctorate holder in Pakistan, there are 100 expatriates here in the United States alone holding the same degree . . . That alone says something . . .

And hardly any of the Iraqis here in the U.S. for Political Asylum formed a line at the airports to go back! That, too, says something . . .

It ain't all Newsweek's fault! . . . . . . Better blame reality . . . .

Steve M
05-24-2005, 05:12 PM
So how many conservatives have you seen burning the US flag lately Steve? Please elaborate.

I can show you many recent photos of leftists such as Zen's "noble" Stalinists at ANSWER desecrating the US flag.

BTW, Here is the latest News-weak cover, which the leftist Zen will surely applaud, an International Edition, this one happens to be in Japanese. It translates to "AMERICA FORSAKEN-The Day America Died — The ideal of ‘freedom’ falls to the ground due to Bush continuing in office."

<photos snipped to save bandwidth>

The Democrat biased leftist publications of the Washington Post hate the right so much, they would crap on the patriotic symbols of our nation, portray the US badly as to be loathed internationally, and put our boys at war in body bags just so they can smear Bush.

Do you find that funny too, Steve?

I'm not a liberal or a leftie. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Patriots come from all over the political spectrum, and I have never seen anyone ever burn a flag. A lot of liberals I know fly the flag. I did ten years in the US military and I knew and met hundreds of liberals during that time who saluted the flag and swore an oath to god to defend it.

It is unmitigated stupidity to suggest that the word 'patriot' only belongs in front of the word 'conservative'. I think that people who vote Democrat or Republican, thereby supporting the two-party oligarchy, deserve to be called 'patriots' least of all, but that's just my opinion. I am probably being a little too harsh, but that tends to happen as I look at my honorable discharge from active duty framed on my wall while some blabbermouth on the internet impugns my patriotism.

The 'patriotic right' as you call them consider the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be the greatest impediment to their agenda. Waving flags, and putting a 'God Bless America' sticker on your SUV is not patriotism. The 'patriotic right' has conveniently redefined the word 'patriot' to exclude everyone but the Bush-happy neo-cons.

Oh and by the way: Newsweek, Time and US News and World Report should be called onto the carpet for their unwavering support of whatever party is in charge. The only news/poltical magazine I subscribe to is The American Conservative (http://www.amconmag.com/). I just got the latest issue in the mail today.

Zen Curmudgeon
05-24-2005, 06:18 PM
>>snip<<

BTW, Here is the latest News-weak cover, which the leftist Zen will surely applaud, an International Edition, this one happens to be in Japanese. It translates to "AMERICA FORSAKEN-The Day America Died — The ideal of ‘freedom’ falls to the ground due to Bush continuing in office."
Actually, the real Newsweek International looks like this:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050530_Issue/050521_Atl_COVER.jpg

while the Asia version has this cover:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050530_Issue/050521_Pac_COVER.jpg

I am somewhat amazed that someone of HtP's sensitivity to truth failed to notice that his "latest" "American Edition" of Newsweek featured a cover story about the Oscars, an event that took place in February.

Another interesting datum comes from using the whois tool, and reveals the source for HtP's Newsweek images to be a web hosting company in Vancouver, WA, which prides itself as, "the leaders in high-tech free web hosting, providing you top quality hosting since 1998. Join over 650,000 members and sign up for your professional web page today!"

( http://www.1asphost.com/ )

I suppose if I were a cynical person I might tentatively conclude someone with idle time and a copy of Photoshop was responsible for the imaginary images HtP has shared with us.

But today my Zen side rules, and the Curmudgeon takes a break.

Take Care -

ZC

Steve M
05-24-2005, 06:24 PM
Actually, the real Newsweek International looks like this:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050530_Issue/050521_Atl_COVER.jpg

while the Asia version has this cover:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050530_Issue/050521_Pac_COVER.jpg

I am somewhat amazed that someone of HtP's sensitivity to truth failed to notice that his "latest" "American Edition" of Newsweek featured a cover story about the Oscars, an event that took place in February.

Another interesting datum comes from using the whois tool, and reveals the source for HtP's Newsweek images to be a web hosting company in Vancouver, WA, which prides itself as, "the leaders in high-tech free web hosting, providing you top quality hosting since 1998. Join over 650,000 members and sign up for your professional web page today!"

( http://www.1asphost.com/ )

I suppose if I were a cynical person I might tentatively conclude someone with idle time and a copy of Photoshop was responsible for the imaginary images HtP has shared with us.

But today my Zen side rules, and the Curmudgeon takes a break.

Take Care -

ZC

I was so certain that Newsweek cover was a fraud, that I didn't even dignify it with a comment.

Hell To Pay
05-24-2005, 10:04 PM
My mistake, after some research it was indeed from the week of Feb 2. It is still a fine example of thier leftist agenda.

At least I have the decency to admit I made a mistake, unlike another blatant liar on this forum.

Hell To Pay
05-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Another interesting datum comes from using the whois tool, and reveals the source for HtP's Newsweek images to be a web hosting company in Vancouver, WA, which prides itself as, "the leaders in high-tech free web hosting, providing you top quality hosting since 1998. Join over 650,000 members and sign up for your professional web page today!"

( http://www.1asphost.com/ )

I suppose if I were a cynical person I might tentatively conclude someone with idle time and a copy of Photoshop was responsible for the imaginary images HtP has shared with us.



Actually, someone with an ounce of brains would figure out it is a free web-hosting site and Hell To Pay parks images there so they don't disappear.

And I'm glad for Steve he's never seen the violent left, for he surely would remember the disrespect for his service to our country they would have imparted on him.

(on edit spelling)

MoralCompass
05-25-2005, 04:38 AM
Hats off to you large. You make some very good points there. It is hard to gather one scintilla of sympathy for middle-eastern morons who think the solution to all thier self made problems is to execute an American who is there to help them. I hope nobody thinks I am some pro-arab knucklehead, because nothing could be further from the truth. I truly wish Newsweek would do some real reporting, like why the Saudi royal family aren't in the same prison as Sadam. Or why Kim Jong IL (sp?) hasn't found himself on the business end of a high calibur bullet. I guess it is just easier for them to stir up the hornets nest while the bee keepers are still trying to calm the bees. (I know, I should never try to mix my metaphors and similes, but what the heck, you get the point).

I just don't understand what Newsweek thought they would accomplish with that story, even if it were true. Could they possibly think it would help our men and women in the theater? I guess in an ideal world, we could lock Newsweek, et al, Al Quaida, Hammas, yadda yadda yadda into a locked room and let God sort them out. And for good measure, let's send Michael Jackson along with them.

Hell To Pay
05-25-2005, 01:47 PM
Main headline on World Net Daily today; Newsweek clams up on U.S. flag in trash (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44433)

Zen Curmudgeon
05-25-2005, 08:19 PM
Main headline on World Net Daily today; Newsweek clams up on U.S. flag in trash (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44433)If you'd like to read the actual article, here's the link:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6857387/site/newsweek/

It was written by a professor of politics at Princeton (Senator Bill Frist's alma mater) who also taught at Harvard (President Bush got his MBA there). You can see his homepage, including links to the letters Newsweek received about this article, here:

http://www.princeton.edu/~amoravcs/papers.html

A note: contrary to the WorldNetDaily's claim, Newsweek doesn't publish a Japanese edition, only a more generalized Asian version. In any event, the article appeared in Newsweek's International edition.

The translation from the Japanese was done by a fellow named Rick Adams (RickAdams.org) who says about himself, "Formerly an investigative news reporter and video game programmer, I now do web programming and design. My other main interests are playing guitar, learning Japanese, and Japanese animation.". Mr. Adams did the Photoshopping on the covers to insert his translation.

Take Care -

ZC

Hell To Pay
05-26-2005, 05:06 PM
If you'd like to read the actual article, here's the link:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6857387/site/newsweek/



You wouldn't also have a link to an old issue of Pravda too, would you?

I'll pass on your offer of trash, thank you.

Zen Curmudgeon
05-26-2005, 05:44 PM
You wouldn't also have a link to an old issue of Pravda too, would you?Actually, WorldNetDaily has already provided that link: ;)

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28435

Pravda has already begun translating and republishing WorldNetDaily's content in Russian. WorldNetDaily readers will begin seeing Pravda reports – in some cases rewritten in our own U.S. journalistic style – this week.

Take Care -

ZC

Steve M
05-28-2005, 09:13 PM
I thought that Newsweek was the first major media outlet to break the Monica Lewinsky story.

large
05-29-2005, 08:25 AM
This weeks edition of Newsweek had an apologetic article stating that their "Investigation and sources" left something to be desired . . . MSM is not always correct, and should never be viewed as "The Last Word" . . . and any reader believing 100% of the reports, 100% of the time is probably a fool, or at least, lazy . . . And of course, in this day and age most electronic and major print news sources slant or editorialize the news to suit the Publisher's ideals . . .

"Scoops" are still something all the printed media, especially the weekly news mags revel in . . and once in a while they get "caught" . . . Newsweek, and Time, although a little more left, than right, try to be objective about 75% of the time . . .

You can blame them for the things you are trying to pin on them, but in the end, they're just the messenger, and the Idiots that they're writing about either prior to publication, or as in the Islamic upheaval case, after, are the prime cause of the problems . . . And I believe the Newsweek CEO when he said nobody felt a single sentence in a small side article in the "Periscope" section would have ignited such "emotional and deadly protest".

Again . . Blame the Islamic Clerics and their Followers, they are the problem! And no matter whether they had a clue or not, the magazine article certainly pointed up a problem!

Hell To Pay
05-29-2005, 09:45 AM
I thought that Newsweek was the first major media outlet to break the Monica Lewinsky story.

No, they were not. Here is the excuse (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20050518/cm_ucac/newsweekdissembledmuslimsdismembered) they gave for not going to press with it.

large
05-29-2005, 11:36 AM
Not wanting to start a pi**ing match here, but Ann Coulter, while she's perhaps a talented blogger, since publishing her book, is about as far right as Teddy is left . . . heh, heh , . . . last time I saw her on "Hannity and Colmes" she made Shawn look like a leftist, even . .

I'd pick another source for your argument . . I'm sure you can find one . . .

Steve M
05-29-2005, 01:25 PM
...Ann Coulter (...) is about as far right as Teddy [Kennedy] is left

That really isn't saying as much as you think it is. Sen. Edward Kennedy (http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=0&repId=320&page=combLegScore&lcmd=next&lcmd_cf=), while to the left of Kerry, is not exactly a beacon of liberalism. As that link demonstrates, he voted against the ACLU one out of every 4 times. That might not sound like much, but if I told you that one out of every four times I crossed Pueblo Blvd. I got hit by a car, you would probably advise me to discontinue crossing that street.

large
05-29-2005, 01:39 PM
I didn't think I needed a Metric ruler or a Micrometer to measure these things . . It's a figure of speech, fer chrissake!

Steve M
05-30-2005, 09:33 AM
I didn't think I needed a Metric ruler or a Micrometer to measure these things . . It's a figure of speech, fer chrissake!

Yes, it's a figure of speech that, when examined, falls flat. Like saying Taxachussetts. 35 states have a higher tax burden than Massachusetts.

Barbara Boxer would have been a far better example of a liberal democrat than Kennedy. She gets a lifetime rating of 2 by the American Conservative Union, compared to Kennedy's 3 and Kerry's 5.

Hell To Pay
05-30-2005, 12:47 PM
She gets a lifetime rating of 2 by the American Conservative Union, compared to Kennedy's 3 and Kerry's 5.

Since the scale goes from zero to 100 and surely Joseph Stalin would have been a zero, then it can be said Kennedy is slightly right of Stalin.

Kennedy is fat drunken slob of a murdering leftist.



And Large, in that particular instance I did not need another source, the facts are the facts and there is no arguing that. But what a hottie Coulter is!

large
05-30-2005, 01:34 PM
Well, yeah, I mean, who'd you rather be seen in a bar with? Teddy . . or Ann Coulter? No doubt in my mind . . however, no matter what bar you were in . . Bet you'd see Teddy there!

Y'know, over the years History has shown us . . Oswald may have known something we didn't . . . Sirhan Sirhan possibly did the country a favor and my question . . where was the guy that was supposed to get Teddy?

Hell To Pay
05-31-2005, 07:06 PM
You're too tense about these scumbag politicians. You need to calm down, relax, maybe go to the target range, then get a nice chiropractic session at Sova Chiropractic Center. I'll make an appointment for you if you would like.