New Bronco Coach

[Loren Swelk]

I wonder if the "fans" will be comparing the new Bronco coach Josh McDaniels (I am going to have a hard time getting used to an NFL coach named Josh) to Mike Shanahan like they have compared every quarterback in the last 10 years to John Elway?

[Bob Nattering]

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He should at least be able to sneak into opponents practices with a camera. They'll just think he's on a journalism assignment from the local high school.

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One has to wonder . . Bowlen fired an "Offense Genius", and then hires another . .

Wasn't it the defense they were having a problem with?

ButwotthehelldoIknow?

[Sandra]

Say, he's kind of handsome.

[Loren Swelk]

The defensive geniuses usually are persons of color.

[Old Sweater]

The defensive geniuses usually are persons of color.



How rare now days in the western world. A total objective view with a racist comment thrown in.

That ranks right up there with Large's "hispanics vote for an candidates last name."

[Old Sweater]

Say, he's kind of handsome.



Josh McDaniels is quite the talk amongst the lady members of a board that I go to.

One of them said "Elizabeth thinks the new Bronco coach is cute and that IS important for the job."........LOL

[Sandra]

The defensive geniuses usually are persons of color.

He has color. Lots of it. Rose colored cheeks, nice reddish lips, (can't tell what color his eyes are, but in some pictures they look blue while others look brown, at any rate, they're a color, too), and sunkissed peachy skin.

How much do you want to bet that more women will be interested in football now? Yes, he's a very important pick. This man can change the football market with his looks alone, that's a powerful tool.

From now on let the men be the ones to stand on their heads naked trying to get our attention during a football game. woo!

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How rare now days in the western world. A total objective view with a racist comment thrown in.

That ranks right up there with Large's "hispanics vote for an candidates last name."

Hate to go here, on this Thread, but . . Pal, that's not racist, it's reality . . just as 95% (PEW) of the Black Americans voted for Obama . . nothing racist there either, except that, just as it is with dumbassed White Folks, about 40% of the Black human beings don't understand the issues either . . They vote for the base commonality they have with the candidate . . Color (or name, in the case of latinos)

And . . Both Lovie and Tony Dungy are considered Defensive Geniuses . . The fact that they are also Black is certainly made a point of by other black fans . . so what's racist about that? Black (or tan) is a condition you're born into, but it has little to do with what YOU do with yourself . .

Look at you . . you chose ignorance so you're a qualified troll . . and a good one too . . !

[Loren Swelk]

I fail to see what was racist about my post. 67% of NFL players are black, zero owners are black, one General Manager is black, with the firing of Romeo Crennel and the retirement of Tony Dungy only 3 NFL head coaches are black and only 28% of all asstant coaches are black. It seems that the disparity is in itself is racist, but my comment was only a statement of fact of the disparity.

[Old Sweater]

Hate to go here, on this Thread, but . . Pal, that's not racist, it's reality . . just as 95% (PEW) of the Black Americans voted for Obama . . nothing racist there either, except that, just as it is with dumbassed White Folks, about 40% of the Black human beings don't understand the issues either . . They vote for the base commonality they have with the candidate . . Color (or name, in the case of latinos)

And . . Both Lovie and Tony Dungy are considered Defensive Geniuses . . The fact that they are also Black is certainly made a point of by other black fans . . so what's racist about that? Black (or tan) is a condition you're born into, but it has little to do with what YOU do with yourself . .

Look at you . . you chose ignorance so you're a qualified troll . . and a good one too . . !

Great, an objective view of your objective racist views.....lol

Me a troll! That is rich! You camp out here and are the resident troll to every new poster who you disagree with. And ignorance? Haaaa! You were the one who chose to discuss baseball, which your IQ of the game is about 0. You proved that when you jumped in with your pop culture "Rose should be in the HOF." And hadn't even heard of the John O'Dowd report, much less read it. Then tried to compare him to Mickey Mantle when most SABR's and Historians don't even have Rose ranked in their top 50 list. Mantle is in most top 10 lists and always in their top 20 list. Of course you'd have to follow the game or read the history of the game to know this. And perhaps check out a few SABR sites where they use all sorts of metric systems, which ol'Petey Boy don't fare to well with, compared to the legends of the game like Mantle or Williams.

Now put on your Pete Rose jammys and go to bed. You two deserve each other. I'll never forget you knocking Pro Wrestling just to find out from me that Pete Rose was in their HOF...LOL..Only HOF he deserves.

[Old Sweater]

I fail to see what was racist about my post. 67% of NFL players are black, zero owners are black, one General Manager is black, with the firing of Romeo Crennel and the retirement of Tony Dungy only 3 NFL head coaches are black and only 28% of all asstant coaches are black. It seems that the disparity is in itself is racist, but my comment was only a statement of fact of the disparity.


Whatever you say.

The defensive geniuses usually are persons of color.

Now could you put some names with colors and show the success percentages against other colors, to prove your racist statement, or the validity of it?

Aren't you the poster who said Manny Corpas blows after he started the year out bad instead of showing your team some support, after claiming to be a fan of the Rockies? Some fan! Then to add insult to insult you misspelled his last name "Corpse." like a bubblegummer or Large does?

[pastorbill]

Should have kept Coach Shanahan.

[Old Sweater]

Should have kept Coach Shanahan.


He had a good run and my hat is off to him.

Sorta anxious to see how the young man Josh McDaniels does next year.

[Sandra]

I'm curious, too, why people think that it's racist.

I thought that racist remarks were more slurs aimed at a particular race? Why is it racist to note that black men basically make awesome athletes?

In looking at American sports over the last 100 or so years, our most successful teams have had more blacks on them than any other race. Is that really so racist? There's got to be a reason why there are so many black athletes, and I don't think it's because of Affirmitive Action - I think it's because they're awesome players and that's something to be proud of!

To recognize that a particular race has stronger physical characteristics and agility than another is no more racist than saying that race of people people have dark skin or fuller lips, or curlier hair than another race.

If it's such an insult to observe and admire the natural physical agility and/or beauty of people from another particular race, then there is something seriously wrong here. We all have our gifts, and they're all worth admiration.

[Loren Swelk]

Old Sweater, please take the time to look up the definition of Corpse and you will see why I spelled it that way. I am not surprised that it went right over your head though.

[Old Sweater]

I'm curious, too, why people think that it's racist.

I thought that racist remarks were more slurs aimed at a particular race? Why is it racist to note that black men basically make awesome athletes?

In looking at American sports over the last 100 or so years, our most successful teams have had more blacks on them than any other race. Is that really so racist? There's got to be a reason why there are so many black athletes, and I don't think it's because of Affirmitive Action - I think it's because they're awesome players and that's something to be proud of!

To recognize that a particular race has stronger physical characteristics and agility than another is no more racist than saying that race of people people have dark skin or fuller lips, or curlier hair than another race.

If it's such an insult to observe and admire the natural physical agility and/or beauty of people from another particular race, then there is something seriously wrong here. We all have our gifts, and they're all worth admiration.


Because that is racist profiling Sandra. Just think, if you was a black athlete and people thought it was the color of your skin instead of your hard work that got you to the top level. For every black athlete that makes the pros, there is thousands that don't.

BTW, the amount of black American athletes is towards the bottom in MLB and shrinking every year. There is more white American players by far in MLB. To say skin color has anything to do for a player making MLB is simply not true and racial profiling at it's worse. To say that more white Americans play MLB then black American players, because it takes longer then the other games to attain the fine skills(true) to make MLB is double racial profiling. It's calling the white player smarter and harder working and blacks not being as good in baseball, when the truth of the matter is that not near as many black Americans play baseball as they use to, and play basketball and football more that has a quicker trip to the pros for the gifted athlete. That explains the increase of the black American athlete in basketball and football and the decrease of the black American athlete in MLB compared to the 50-70 time frame.

It isn't skin color that is the reason there isn't many black athletes in the NHL. It's because the availability of hockey to the black athletes is minimal where they can't acquire the skills to make the NHL as in any sport. If skin color made the black athlete superior a lot more of them would be in the NHL.

[Loren Swelk]

this pretty much sums it up. I guess just the mention of the inequality in coaching is racist.

[Old Sweater]

Old Sweater, please take the time to look up the definition of Corpse and you will see why I spelled it that way. I am not surprised that it went right over your head though.

I don't have to look it up. I'm sure Corpas would be delighted with the meaning and the mockery of his name. He's a good respectful kid that is very humble and enjoys shooting pool at the TableSteaks South in Englewood.

[Old Sweater]

this pretty much sums it up. I guess just the mention of the inequality in coaching is racist.


Yep, I guess one cartoon does say it all, for some. But to say defensive geniuses are generally men of color is not true percentage wise and using using the mans color instead of his hard work is nothing but a racist comment, or racial profiling at the least.

The white bigot good ol' boy owners of MLB, will forever keep black coaches, managers and front office people to a minimum in MLB. Heck, they kept the black player out of the game from the 1880's till 1947 with nothing more then a gentleman's handshake. The racist Cap Anson said in the 1880's "we're going to continue to play this here game of baseball, but we're are going to continue so without *******." If the racist first commissioner of baseball, Kenesaw Mountain Landis hadn't died towards the tail end of 1944, Jackie Robinson wouldn't have had the opportunity to break the color barrier in 1947. to bad for baseball that Landis lived until he was 78.

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Great, an objective view of your objective racist views.....lol

Me a troll! That is rich! You camp out here and are the resident troll to every new poster who you disagree with. And ignorance? Haaaa! You were the one who chose to discuss baseball, which your IQ of the game is about 0. You proved that when you jumped in with your pop culture "Rose should be in the HOF." And hadn't even heard of the John O'Dowd report, much less read it. Then tried to compare him to Mickey Mantle when most SABR's and Historians don't even have Rose ranked in their top 50 list. Mantle is in most top 10 lists and always in their top 20 list. Of course you'd have to follow the game or read the history of the game to know this. And perhaps check out a few SABR sites where they use all sorts of metric systems, which ol'Petey Boy don't fare to well with, compared to the legends of the game like Mantle or Williams.

Now put on your Pete Rose jammys and go to bed. You two deserve each other. I'll never forget you knocking Pro Wrestling just to find out from me that Pete Rose was in their HOF...LOL..Only HOF he deserves.

Idiot! Are you going to defend your weakly liberal cry of "racism" or are you going to p*ss and moan about some stupida$$ed baseball statistic . . In contemporary professional sports, performance is the qualifier, not color. You can argue whether the numbers are just or not . . I really don't care, but reality is the discussion, not perception (which, in your case, is quite dim).

I think, I've said it more than once, I think about You, Pete Rose and Your hero Roger Clemens about the same way . . I don't . . . Sports are no more than entertainment, and the people who live for them need to get a life, you among that contingent . .

If you have a problem with any of this, get off your fat, opinionated, pool playing a$$ and look me up . . I'm easy to find . .

[Sandra]

Racist profiling? My foot!

Is it sexual profiling, then, to say that women are better at breastfeeding than men or that men are better at peeing their name in the snow than women?

Is it racial profiling to notice that some races have fuller lips, larger bone structures, and curlier hair than others?

Are we all so afraid of who we are that we can't even acknowledge our differences and each others differences for fear of offending someone?

What we have here, folks, is a lack of social skills, for crying out loud. We're all going to stand here with our heads buried in the sand pretending we're all exactly the like, but we're missing the many colors and talents of the pretty rainbow when we do that.

Each color in the rainbow comes together to make one rainbow - one light broken into literally countless colors, each color with their own talent and purpose. The tree leaves are green, the trunk is brown. The sky is blue, the ocean is a myriad of aquatic colors - sand is sand colored. What color are the moon and stars? What are the colors of the feathers on the birds and the fur on your pets? Are the flowers in the field all clothed and shaped alike? No.

Do the beautiful roses give of the scent of a lilac? Do tomatoes share the same flavor of bananas? Do dogs really moo? (OK, that one makes fun of Colorado Springs...lol!)

My point is that we all have differences and we all have different talents and purposes. We all have the general shape of our human bodies - yes - arms, legs, hands, feet - but are we all the same color? Are we all the same physical makeup? Do we all perform the same job and wear the same clothes? Do we all enjoy the same music and movies? Do we all enjoy the same food?

Do the bees pollinate people? Do the stars light up the daytime sky? Do flowers knock the trash over and pee on the carpet when their masters aren't home to let them out?

Is there only one variety of fruit and vegetable? Do they all look and taste alike? What about flowers? Do they all have the same amount of petals? Are they all the same color? Do they all share the same fragrance? Roses have a distinct fragrance. What do carnations smell like? How about sweet peas and cherry blossoms? Lilacs? Cactus? Aloe?

We notice that there are a great many wonderful and beautiful - most magnificent displays of living artwork all over the world and even in our own backyard. Even weeds will grow among the trash, raising their heads and giving glory to God for who they are, even though nobody likes them. Are they worried about what the Violets think of them? I don't think they even worry about what people thought of them, because if they did they'd quit growing in inopportune places! lol!

We profile everything in life, it's natural for us, and it's also scientific. It's part of how we identify with ourselves and the world around us - our roles, and whatnot. It's a natural thing for people to compare each other with each other. It's how we get to know each other and if people weren't so darned negative all the time, it'd be an awesome tool for learning how to appreciate each other.

It isn't meant for stereotyping, by any means, but it's a kind of identifying. This flower is a Violet. This one is a rose. See how they are both lovely and fragrant, but they are so very different from each other. More roses are used in wedding bouquets than Violets, but does that make the Violet less of a flower, then? No. Does it make the Rose superior to the Violet? If so, then it's only for the purpose of the floral arrangement and nothing else - it's a matter of personal taste. If you like roses better, then to you, roses are superior, in a manner of speaking.

Some people argue about cats and dogs - dog people feel that dogs are superior to any animal alive, others feel that way about their cats. Does that mean the dog people should wage war with the cat people and hate them because they don't like people who like cats? Isn't that absurd?

It's no less absurd than people disliking another race for their differences, but it's also no less absurd than people taking offense at something that occurs naturally, and that is, comparing each others differences and noticing how some people seem to be better at some things than others.

You can't get away from that no matter how hard you try. Who takes home more music awards? Who takes home more athletic awards? Who seems to be be the most technologically advanced where creating electronics is concerned? Where do the best physicists seem to come from? They're all over the world, but will we deny that the Japanese seem better at creating electronic technology than Americans or that more of the the greatest scientists known to man have come from Russia, France, and Spain?

Will we deny that Italians seem to have the best artists, or that ancient Greeks were known for their educational advancements?

I could go on and on but I'll stop here because I'm not feeling good enough to sit in front of my machine anymore - I'm fighting that flu bug and it's hard to breathe.

So in closing this post, I just want people to stop being afraid of noticing each others differences and learn to relish them, instead. God created us and gave us all different talents and gifts, some as to our races, some as to our individual selves. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging those differences - it's time to stop being afraid of those differences because that is what's causing people to not be able to get along with each other. Everyone wants to have a soap box to stand on or a reason to be a victim. There's no reason to be a victim, we're all victors, especially if we pull together and shine bright and give everyone something glorious to enjoy - just like a rainbow in the still darkened sky after the rain.

Let the storm be over, it's time to stand side by side and shine.

[Old Sweater]

It's seems that I have ticked off the racial profilers of this board...lol

Bottom line..............

To say that "Hispanics vote for the last name"

"Defensive geniuses are men of color"

Is racial profiling.

Get over your perfect lillywhite asses, with the objective views.

Sandra/ all your off the wall analogies is profiling but if you add anything pertaining to race or color, it then becomes racial profiling.

Subjective View: Jesse Owens sure can run fast.

Objective Racial Profiling: That Jesse Owens sure can run fast because he is black.

Racist objective view: That ****** sure can run.

Most races do it. You and Large do it then deny it being so.

[Sandra]

Old Sweater - I really like you and everything but I gotta tell you the only words I know to say:

Grow some balls and stop being so ****ed overly sensitive.

The kind of crap that you are posting is precisely what keeps people in "victim" mode, fighting over things that don't need to be fought over.

Some things are a fact of life whether you like it or not.

Everyone profiles everyone, it doesn't matter if it's racial or anything else. It's a natural thing people do - people naturally categorize things, it's how we organize. Science does it, animals do it, people do it, insects do it - even plants do it.

It's not necessarily a bad thing unless you make it that way.

So get over it already.

[Loren Swelk]

Sandra, It has little to do with anything other than last summer I remarked that a certain member of Old Sweaters beloved Rockies was not carrying his weight and just possibly the 2008 Rockies were not the 1927 Yankees, and he is upset at Large because the knowledge Large possesses impedes on Old Sweaters ability to be known as the "Sports Guru" of the Chieftain Forum.

[Bob Nattering]

When I first discovered this forum and started reading the posts, I thought: "Wow, these people really have some serious disagreements." I was convinced that I could even detect bitterness in some posts. It sure seemed like a hotbed of differing ideologies.

I'm certainly no suspicious doubting Thomas type, so it took me a long time to figure things out. Well, I want you guys to know that I have figured out that this is actually one big informal social club. I figure you guys probably meet at some bar every week with a lot of hugging as each participant joins the group. Old Sweater comes in, hugs Swelk, Sandra and Large. After they share laughter about the postings of the past week, they begin planning the postings for the coming week. All of this disagreement, name calling and bitterness is essentially scripted. The victims of this charade are guys like poor unsuspecting Bob Nattering, alone up here in Arvada and not a member of your elite social club.

Shame on you people.

[Sandra]

Well, I'm sorry, but I'm just tired of the bickering (not just here, but elsewhere, too) about racial things. Seems like no one can say anything without someone claiming there's racism or profiling going on, when in fact, the remark made may not have been intended that way at all. That's no way to communicate - all it does is create more egg shells to walk on and who wants or needs that?

Now, I love every one of you on here, and this includes Old Sweater, and I just can't stand to see the disharmony about racial things because in a way we're like family here. It's great to have a discussion with different points of view, but when we start pointing fingers and accusing people of racism or racial profiling, that in itself is offensive and the walls that keep communication out immediately go up. Let's not have that.

If someone is using racial slurs and badmouthing a race, that's one thing - and it should not be tolerated. But if someone is making an observation and it's not meant to bring harm, then I think we need to acknowledge that and not be so afraid of it.

But that's just my opinion - life's too short and full of hurts to allow or invite more hurts. I think that means we all need to grow thicker skin.

Just my two cents worth...

[Loren Swelk]

I guess it is natural to make the jump from being an assistant high school coach with no experience beyond that point to NFL Assistant. I am sure that the best person available for the job was that person. Oh! His name is McDaniels and he is the coach's younger brother? Well that explains it all.

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In sports, Nepotism is OK . . isn't it?

Betcha when things go to hell in a Handbasket, the bro is the last to go . .