Gang Bang Losers

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You got to read this. I like it because they are adressing the gang bang losers on this weblog. Something need to be done about the Gang Bang Losers ERROR..... Terrorist

http://pueblocoloradocrime.blogspot.com/

[Zombiewire]

It must be Saturday......... I wake up get my coffee and then come and read the news.
Same ol story different weekend.......
I am glad they cut the tape on that new jail.

By PATRICK MALONE
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

Two men were injured late Thursday in a shooting at a South Side park that police are calling gang-related.

Jeremy Vidana, 19, and David Padilla, 18, were treated at St. Mary-Corwin Medical Center for their injuries.

Vidana was shot in the buttocks. The bullet exited frontally. His condition was critical on Friday, according to Pueblo police Sgt. Kenny Rider. Padilla was shot in the abdomen. His condition was not immediately available, but police believed Vidana's injury to be more serious than Padilla's.

Padilla told police he is affiliated with the Kelly Park Crips gang, Rider said.

Officers responded to reports of shots fired at Far South Park, 600 Maryland Avenue, at 11:20 p.m., according to a report by Pueblo police Cpl. Tisha Diante.

Near the basketball court and playground area of the park, police found blood spots and smears on the concrete slab. More blood evidence was found on the sidewalk and street around the corner of Maryland and Routt avenues.

Witnesses reported hearing a series of gunshots, followed by a pause and one more shot. They said up to six men were in the park at the time of the shooting. Two cars were seen in the area: a dark-colored vehicle, possibly a Ford Thunderbird, and a white Dodge Intrepid.

At 12:25 a.m., the Colorado State Patrol stopped an Intrepid matching the description of the car seen around the time of the shooting. Its occupants were questioned and released.

Rider said no one has been arrested for the crime.

[Zombiewire]

CRIME BEAT

Birthday party ends in shooting

A disturbance at an early-morning birthday party Sunday later led to a shooting that is possibly gang-related, according to police reports.

Pueblo police arrested a 15-year-old boy in connection to the crime.

No one was injured in the 3:03 a.m. shooting in the 400 block of Michigan Street, but about 45 minutes prior to that a 24-year-old man was struck in the face with a beer bottle, according to reports by Pueblo police Cpl. Tisha Diante.

Joe and Monica Duran were hosting a birthday party for a family member when their son, Julian Duran, heard a car honking outside the house at 2:20 a.m.

Julian Duran went outside and a man emerged from a red 1997 Ford Explorer. The man then struck Julian Duran in the face with a beer bottle.

The suspect yelled that he would return to "shoot up" the house, Diante said.

Julian Duran was treated at St. Mary-Corwin Medical Center for a laceration.

Shortly thereafter, several suspects reportedly arrived at the house in a blue-and-silver Chevrolet Suburban. Witnesses inside the house said the suspects kicked in the door and entered brandishing handguns and threatening to kill, Diante said.

The suspects said they were "surenos," and kept saying "trece."

The suspects soon left, according to the reports, and Joe Duran, 43, and family member Jeff Garza, 36, traded turns firing at least four rounds from a 12-gauge shotgun at the suspects.

The Duran family said the suspects first shot at them, but police found no bullet holes or evidence to support that claim, according to Diante.

Police chased and arrested one suspect, a 15-year-old boy, fleeing from the scene. He was caught near Lake and Pitkin Avenues.

The juvenile was booked into the Pueblo Youth Center on suspicion of first-degree burglary, menacing with a weapon and on a warrant for truancy.

Police followed leads on at least two other suspects but no arrests had been made as of late Monday.

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Awww, I think it's a bunch of Idiots and A**holes that've started believing the crap they see on TV . . . Y'notice they "Traded Turns" shooting at the suspects with a 12 guage . . . And based on what I know about the range of a shotgun, even with a full choke, just with one guy firing as fast as he can, about two shots are all you're gonna get before whoever you're shooting at is out of range. (Unless they're a cripple)

I think the cops busted Duran and Garza doing the shooting and they had to come up with an explanation . . dumb as it is . .

Another deal in the same paper, about a "Home Invasion" in Trinidad . . Four or Five guys in Blue Coveralls, Ski Masks and Assault Rifles crashed a party and apparently was looking for cash and drugs . . Seems one of the "Rob'ees" had a pistol in his pocket, and proceeded to shoot one of the Robbers . . in the chest, "Center Mass" so to speak, Killed him and the rest ran off without so much as firing a shot . . I think these idiots have been watching too much TV!

I'm not a proponent of Gun Control by any means . . but I'm beginning to think that Idiots shouldn't be allowed to have a gun! And apparently a lot of Idiots do!

I still belive also that if we attached a 10 year mandatory Jail Sentence on anybody using a gun to commit a Felony, there'd be a little more thought about how you settled your differences with another person . . Perhaps also with a 5 year mandatory sentence for possessing a "Stolen Gun", the popularity of having your own "Nine" might also wane . .

[Lexi]

musta been some pretty bad presents...

[Pueblocontractor]

Busted
EDITORIAL
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies have broken up a major drug ring in Pueblo following a months-long undercover investigation dubbed Operation Ghostrider.

Last week authorities announced the arrest of 28 individuals described as violent with ties to Los Angeles-based street gangs. Ten of the suspects have been indicted in a secret grand jury probe.

The undercover operation involved the Pueblo Police Department, the District Attorney’s Office and the federal Drug Enforcement Administration. District Attorney Bill Thiebaut said all of the suspects except two are being charged under the Colorado Organized Crime Control Act, which carries penalties of eight to 24 years in prison.

Other charges include drug distribution, possession, possession with intent to distribute and conspiracy.

DEA Special Agent Jeffrey Sweetin told a press conference last week that the organization would sell drugs and then raid the homes of customers for the drugs and their money. “These people are very cutthroat,” he said.

During the arrest, officers seized 5 kilograms of cocaine, 235 grams of crack cocaine and 346 grams of meth. Court documents list streets, alleys, sidewalks, parks, parkways, playgrounds, school buses and private dwellings as points of “sale, distribution, use, exchange, manufacture or attempted manufacture” of the drugs.

Special Agent Sweetin said, “If you take a phone book of Pueblo and look through the names in the white pages, there are people in this book who will be alive next year because of what we did. Things changed in Pueblo this month. It’s a safer place.”

Police Chief Jim Billings said he requested help from the DEA more than a year ago following several drug-related home invasions. The DEA supplied wiretaps that were instrumental in the operation in which four to five agents and police narcotics detectives worked in what Chief Billings called “a very dangerous undercover capacity.”

The community owes the officers and all others involved a debt of gratitude for breaking up this nasty operation. It won’t mean the end of drug problems in Pueblo, but it’s a big dent.

[doggy]

Is it a cultural thing? Should we stop more Mexicans from coming into this country? Are they adding to a growing problem?

[Pueblocontractor]

Is it a cultural thing? Should we stop more Mexicans from coming into this country? Are they adding to a growing problem?

Why are most sexual crime caused by white men? Is this a cultural thing? I do not think so.

Gang member come from broken homes. The only people who will take them in are the people just like them from a broken home. They support each other. As for me, I was thought the way to survive is to work hard and earn lots of money and use the money to take care of my surroundings.
Gang bangers lose out in life because they reach a ceiling in the art of crime and that is death or prison which ever come first. How they become gang bangers, I would believe, is they go in to a survival mode with out the knowledge of good. So they do what comes natural for that child.

I believe many of these gang bangers are product of Pueblo for having so many bars. It started back in the steel mill days. The dad took to the local bar after a hard day or night’s shift at work. As his child grew unattended, eventually attended the bar also and left his child unattended; the child fended for his/her self. As the nation became desensitized as it continues this day, that child grew to an adult and had a child and so on until now you see the pimple that Pueblo great Steel Mill crapped out. I think this because I have done my own study on this. Pueblo gang’s pimple started to crown in 1978.

The question is, Should we stop more Mexicans from coming into this country? My opinion is there must be border control and everyone who come in this great land should be interviewed extensively to find out if this person has a criminal mind.

One more thing, just because a person has Spanish last name does not mean that person is from Mexico.

I'm an not the best writer in the world but hope you got my point.

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Is it a cultural thing? Should we stop more Mexicans from coming into this country? Are they adding to a growing problem?

Regarding "Gang Bangers" and the question as to culture or nationality . . Yeah, it's a "Cultural thing" . . but only relating to the "Style" . . Black Ghetto Dwellers have their rendition of "Gang bangers' . . Violent Criminals who deal in almost any illicit trade to make money and exist . . They "Own" their parts of the jail or prison they reside in (Eventually)

On the other hand, the Chicano "Gang banger" or just "Gangster with a gun" is never gonna be drafted by NASA to build rockets . . But comes from the same place, a misunderstood "Culture" . . They choose not to get a "White Man's Education" . . Is that "Culture"? Hell no, it's because they're lazy, and laying around on your a** and stealing is easier than going to school and learning something . . Packing a gun when you're 13 makes you a bigger deal on the Blocks than being an honor student . . Having a shaved head with jailhouse Tat's make you a badder a** than your Primo in high school who's an Athletic Standout . . and sooner or later, to keep your status, you're gonna have to back up the bullsh*t with some action, so y'gotta "Cap' somebody . . and as dealing drugs is more profitable than stealing, you have more opportunities to meet people who you'd like to "Cap" . . It's often totally misguided also . . Danny Medina was a good example . . an ex con who wanted, on one hand to lead "His people" , La Raza, to better things, but on the other hand, couldn't get past his past . . a dope dealing gang banger with a bad temper . . and it got him killed . . By a guy that wasn't any smarter than he was . .

Probably the most pathetic part of that whole drama was the fact that the Chicanos that he spoke for . . let him . . They let the city as a whole, even their neighbors and peers, think that he was the best they had . . I can think of many better . .

But all minority "Cultures" and ethnic groups tend to have a certain degree of "Gang Related Youth", kind of "protective" organizations that the older gang members use to profit in one way or another, using the younger ones as labor and mules . . and there's a history of it in this country, from the founding right up to the next ten minutes . .

And as far as the Mujados (Illegals) go, seldom do they belong to local gangs, as there's a ton of discrimination between the chicanos and the immigrants. Most of the crime committed by Mujados is of a different type, although violence is no stranger to a lot of them and the fact that they are here illegally is the first step . . Look at it from their viewpoint, rob a bank here, you might go to jail . . or just get deported . . apparently worth the roll of th' dice as far as some are concerned . .

[Pueblocontractor]

CRIME BEAT
By NICK BONHAM
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

Man wounded in gang shooting

A 22-year-old man was wounded in a gang-related shooting Friday night at a South Side apartment complex, according to police.

Few details were available Saturday because Pueblo police officers did not finish reports after their shifts and phone calls to numerous detectives were not returned.

What was known was that Joseph Reyes was shot in the right shoulder about 9 p.m. at apartments in the 2600 block of Crawford Street. His injuries were not considered life-threatening.

Officials at Parkview and St. Mary-Corwin medical centers said they had no record of treating the victim, probably due to patient privacy laws.

Police made no arrests in the shooting, but records show gun residue kits were administered to two people whose names were not available.

A .38 caliber revolver was found in a nearby baseball field by Pueblo police Sgt. Danny Rutherford.

Police also are investigating a separate shooting that occurred early Saturday in the 1700 block of East 13th Street.

No one was injured in the 12:32 a.m. incident, according to officer Nathan Pruce.

Witnesses told police they heard a loud disturbance coming from a neighbor's house. One man went outside and saw an unidentified suspect striking the window of his 1996 Chevrolet truck. The owner told the suspect to stop and then heard five gun shots in "rapid succession," Pruce said.

The suspects left in a white-and-blue Chevrolet truck. Police recovered five .45 caliber bullet casings from the scene.


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CRIME BEAT
By NICK BONHAM
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

Man wounded in gang shooting

A 22-year-old man was wounded in a gang-related shooting Friday night at a South Side apartment complex, according to police.

Few details were available Saturday because Pueblo police officers did not finish reports after their shifts and phone calls to numerous detectives were not returned.

What was known was that Joseph Reyes was shot in the right shoulder about 9 p.m. at apartments in the 2600 block of Crawford Street. His injuries were not considered life-threatening.

Officials at Parkview and St. Mary-Corwin medical centers said they had no record of treating the victim, probably due to patient privacy laws.

Police made no arrests in the shooting, but records show gun residue kits were administered to two people whose names were not available.

A .38 caliber revolver was found in a nearby baseball field by Pueblo police Sgt. Danny Rutherford.

Police also are investigating a separate shooting that occurred early Saturday in the 1700 block of East 13th Street.

No one was injured in the 12:32 a.m. incident, according to officer Nathan Pruce.

Witnesses told police they heard a loud disturbance coming from a neighbor's house. One man went outside and saw an unidentified suspect striking the window of his 1996 Chevrolet truck. The owner told the suspect to stop and then heard five gun shots in "rapid succession," Pruce said.

The suspects left in a white-and-blue Chevrolet truck. Police recovered five .45 caliber bullet casings from the scene.

BURGLARY

NORTH SIDE
Someone burglarized a North Side home for more than $6,000 worth of property and damages Thursday.

The incident occurred between 7 a.m. and 3 p.m. in the 1800 block of West 16th Street, according to officer Dennis Bogard.

Angela Martinez came home and found her room ransacked. Thieves stole a $2,500 Dell Computer hard drive, a $200 cable box and $600 worth of medicine, Bogard said.

At least one person entered the residence by breaking out a back window. Also shattered was a window of a tan 1997 Ford truck parked outside. Bogard said entry to the property was gained by breaking a lock to a yard gate.

PURSE THEFT

BESSEMER
An 84-year-old woman suffered minor injuries when she was robbed of her purse Saturday at the Dollar Store, 1245 Spruce St.

The victim suffered bumps and bruises during the 3:15 p.m. incident, according to officer Darren Velarde.

The woman was walking to the store when a Hispanic man ran toward her. The suspect pushed her and caused her to fall. As he pushed her, he grabbed her purse and fled west through the parking lot to an alley, Velarde said.

In the alley, witnesses saw the suspect enter a blue Ford Ranger.

The suspect is described as being 5 feet, 7 inches tall, 160 pounds, with short black hair and about 25 years old. He wore a red T-shirt and black

someone got to step up and stop patting each other on the ASS so get over that drug bust........."get over it" and go get the next losers. Come on coppers its your job!

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Slow down, James . . send us the blotter for yesterday's 24 hours of crime in San Diego . . I'd bet there are more crimes committed by Illegals alone, there, than there are of any kind in Pueblo . .

But, I'm sure you're right about the Drug bust . . All of those incarcerated have had the "B" Team step right up and replace them . . with nary a wobble in the drug supply . . too bad they can't do the same with gasoline . .

[Pueblocontractor]

Slow down, James . . send us the blotter for yesterday's 24 hours of crime in San Diego . . I'd bet there are more crimes committed by Illegals alone, there, than there are of any kind in Pueblo . .

But, I'm sure you're right about the Drug bust . . All of those incarcerated have had the "B" Team step right up and replace them . . with nary a wobble in the drug supply . . too bad they can't do the same with gasoline . .


You are correct as mostly always on here except your takes on Waly Mart. Ok OK I need to slow down buy what can I say ? I get a little out of control when I have one to many cups of coffee during my morning Pueblo Chieftain reading.

Dam Ga$$ cost me $73 to fill my truck the other day.




Operation GhostRider Nets 28 Arrests, Gang Targeted
Pueblo Resident and Ringleader Stole Drugs From his Own Customers
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/denver051407.html

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Hey, on the gas thing . . Don't go there . . I've stated, almost to the point of total redundancy, that sooner or later the Politicians are gonna get involved . . and this morning's paper "revealed" something that I had'nt really thought about . . a reduction of gasoline usage will deprive the Politicians of that one thing they can't live without . . "Tax Revenue!" Holy crap, Batman, this will bring 'em into the investigative chambers in Congress if outright gouging doesn't . .

But in the end, it'll end up with the Consumer standing in a line to pay $5 a gallon for something the oil companies may, or may not produce enough of . . and possibly lead to one Hell of a "recession" (Eisenhower's word for "Depression")

It can happen, y'know . .

[daney]

I believe there is good and bad in every race. I believe 80% of all these problems start at home. I listen to my police scanner reguarly and the ages of the kids on the streets at night have been as young 2-3. Alot of them are 12 and older, but a good parent doesnt allow their children to run the streets. Its not like these kids are out playing an honest game of kick the can. They are out vandalizing property, and stealing. Maybe if the concequence for parents and their children were more severe some of younger generations will stray away from this behavior.

daney

[Leaping Known]

Most of these kids are raising themselves, they desperatly want to belong to a family, the gang takes the place of that family. To influence the kids, influence the gang. No parents, or abusive parents, leads to gang activity, it has nothing to do with CFI, or the price of gas. Most of the parents of these gang bangers are either both working trying to scrape a living, welfare recipients, single parent, or even gangbangers themselves.

[Pueblocontractor]

Most of these kids are raising themselves, they desperatly want to belong to a family, the gang takes the place of that family. To influence the kids, influence the gang. No parents, or abusive parents, leads to gang activity, it has nothing to do with CFI, or the price of gas. Most of the parents of these gang bangers are either both working trying to scrape a living, welfare recipients, single parent, or even gangbangers themselves.


Pueblo gang bangers started back in 1978. Those gang bangs had children. Now you have the second generation gang banging around. I am just curious what the gas prices where back in 1978..

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Aww, c'mon James, teen age gangs are almost as old as civilization itself . . as are gangs in general . . But the term "Teen Ager" really wasn't invented until Post War WWII . . Before that, when you hit 13, it was time to "Get a Job!", help support the family, except in the really well to do part of society. After, came the 40 hour work week, and the beginning of modern society, with it's "Leisure Time" . . Child Labor was abolished, and the "Teen Ager" was born . . Hollywood celebrated it and made movies in the late 40's and early '50's, Broadway produced plays, all about teen age gangs . . and in the 50's, there were teen age gangs everywhere, as well as "Outlaw Car Clubs" and motorcycle gangs and clubs . . Actually most motorcycle clubs became "Gangs" after Hollywood glamorized them in the mid 50's . . Marlon Brando, Sal Mineo, James Dean, and a number of other "Stars" created the "Teen Age Gangster" and the "Bad Assed Biker" or at least portrayed them to the "Unwashed Masses"

The draft usually took care of the average "gangster", because it was tough to be a gangster with a G.I. haircut and Khakis . . old age, common sense, and a family usually took care of that after the service . .

Since then, no draft, As I noted above, poor education, coupled with cultural or ethnic ideas that a "White Mans Education" is no good, created what we see now . . single parent and no parent families can be faulted.

In Pueblo, District Court Judge Maes, who handles a modicum of juvenile court cases and the city court, with Judge Lawrence, has "night court" about twice a month and in both cases, requires the parent/parents to appear as well as the miscreant and often fines or orders the parents to do community service as well . . But the true "gang bangers" are pretty much past parentel guidance in any manner, except that some of the parents are former or older gang members from the last generation and are just passing on the "Skills" . .

Dealing with them, due to our liberal society is difficult. My opinion is that anyone who is old enough to carry and shoot a gun, should be prosecuted as an adult if he has used that gun . . The kid ain't gonna be happy until he has jailhouse tats and Bubba for a cellmate anyway . . Start 'em young, I say . . If they're old enough to do the crime, let 'em do the time . . A victim is just as dead when a 12 year old shoots them as they are when an 18 year old does it . . what's th' difference?

The idea that we can't "jail 'em all" is pure Bullsh*t . . but when we jail 'em, we need to cut back on their "Privileges" . . make jail something at least as bad as the life they lead on the streets . . currently, for a lot of the Blacks and Chicanos, life in prison is a Hell of a lot better than out in public . . so why fear incarceration? And most of them don't . .

Going to Jail should amount to a "Forfeiture of Rights" . . That might impress most of them . . ButwotthehelldoIknow?

[Leaping Known]

Darn, I agree with large. With one exception, the whole culture of Gangbanging now revolves around drugs. Legalize the drugs and the money made by gangs goes away, then the lure of easy money goes away. Maybe a little of the lure of gangs goes with it?

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Yeah, sure, the 17th amendment all over again, deja vu . .

Before Drugs, people stole, they still do, and a lot of gang life is dedicated to just that . . Dealing drugs, while a mainstay of some of the higher profile gangs, isn't allowed to any degree . . except to use the smaller and younger locals as mules and "Schoolhouse" dealers . . The big guys don't tolerate competition . . and none of the younger punks, most of whom we read about when they shoot at each other, don't jeopardize themselves and their "Leaders" by messing with the heavy hitters . .

And, the real heavy hitters, only tolerate gangs to the degree that the older ex cons make good soldiers, but because most of the gangs are users more than peddlers, the heavies don't trust any of them . . A cop can pull most of the younger ones off the street, put 'em in th' cooler for 24 and that punk will be reciting the city directory if he knows anything about it . . The 10-21 year olds are mostly lazy, chickensh*t little thieves who won't study, work or even respect their mothers . . and in a lot of cases it's almost genetic, with little kids as young as 5 or 6 stealing from their neighbors with their Parent giving full approval . . I guess that's just learning a trade early in life . .

[Digger Dan]

From the BBC:

" The state of Sonora has seen fierce drug violence
One of Mexico's leading regional newspapers has said it is shutting
temporarily amid continuing attacks and threats from suspected drugs
gangs.
The offices of Cambio Sonora have come under grenade attack twice
since April
The newspaper is based in Sonora state on the US border, which last
week saw a battle between drug gangs and security forces that left
22 people dead.
Rising drug-related violence in Mexico has prompted President Felipe
Calderon to send troops to several states.
Speaking on Thursday, Mr Calderon insisted he would not abandon his
policy of sending the army in to tackle drug-traffickers despite
growing criticism.
Mr Calderon, who has been in office nearly six months, has sent more
than 20,000 troops throughout the country to battle the drugs
cartels who have been fighting each other for control of territory
and drug routes.
About 1,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence so far
this year.
Danger
Last week, unidentified attackers threw a grenade at Cambio Sonora's
offices in the state capital, Hermosillo, following a similar attack
in April - both caused minor damage.
The head of the company that publishes the newspaper said these
attacks were clearly designed to intimidate the staff and create an
atmosphere of fear and terror.
"With profound sadness, we have to acknowledge that in Sonora the
dangers and insecurity that confront...Cambio Sonora have surpassed
the limits that common sense, patience and human sensitivity can
tolerate," said Mario Vazquez Rana.
The newspaper had already halted most of its investigations into
organised crime or drug trafficking because of the rising level of
violence.
Media rights groups consider Mexico to be one of the most dangerous
countries for reporters in the world.
Seven journalists have been killed since October and earlier this
month, a TV reporter and cameraman disappeared in the northern city
of Monterrey provoking fears they were abducted by a criminal gang."

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Mexico's Drug Driven Cartels are a whole different breed of cats . .

But, they wouldn't exist if it weren't for the demand here in the USA . . which has little to do with gangs and everything to do with America's concept of Drug Use . .

[Leaping Known]

Mexico's Drug Driven Cartels are a whole different breed of cats . .

But, they wouldn't exist if it weren't for the demand here in the USA . . which has little to do with gangs and everything to do with America's concept of Drug Use . .

So you are saying that none of the gangs here in the USA are using drugs, fighting over drugs, or killing over drugs?

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No, rocket boy, just that Gangsters aren't the majority users of imported (or home grown) drugs . . Nor are they the majority importers or sellers . . they represent just one of the blights on humanity that drugs create . .

The greatest demand for illegal drugs in the world is created in the developed countries, with the USA leading the pack . . basically because of the laws around usage . . drug users are seldom looked at by liberal Americans as criminals, but as victims. So while it's against the law to sell these drugs, it's "Almost" OK to use them . .

We saw how well that worked with the 17th amendment . . And while most people relate to the gangs in the Eastern Metro areas, and Al Capone's gangs and gang wars in Chicago, we forget that every little town in America had a local bootlegger, often a local moonshiner, and none of them belonged to gangs. Sometimes they had loose networks that kept them aware of the Gov'mint's agents, them Rev'noor's, but nothing that rivaled the Organized Crime in the East . . When prohibition was repealed in 1933, 90% of the bootleggers and moonshiners went back to selling groceries, fixing cars, being ministers in churches and everything else Middle America did before the 17th amendment was ratified . .

Gangs have become a product of the demand for drugs, not the cause . . and again, gangs existed long before the demand for drugs became as intense as it is currently. Criminal gangs have existed for as long as there was something criminal that an organization could do better than an individual criminal could. And in history, even "Criminal Countries" have (and do) exist . . One might notice, that in most 3d world countries, drug related crime is usually in the smuggling, with the country's leaders getting a cut if they turn their heads, while selling and use is a cardinal sin and dealt with severely. On the surface they have no drug problem . . Nor gangs . . They call them "Cartels" . . They're kinda legal in those countries, almost like Exxon/Mobil is in this country . . heh, heh . . The biggest difference between the two is probably in how they fire their help . .

[Leaping Known]

Is that the little dutch boy saying something?

The reasoning behind America not looking at drug abuse as a crime is the fact that most use. Take a look at alcohol, a nice case of denial will call this dangerous drug a nice little crutch.

Now, back to the gang problem. We all know that our degrading society, and a influx of gang members, or wanabes into Colorado is the main reason for this growth. But, how do you stop it my artistic friend? When you have Whello the gang leader as a role model living down the street, what do you get? When you have both parents working, or both using, or one long gone, and the other working two jobs? Neither of the parents giving a damn about a kid who is running the street, trying to impress more kids with acts of vandalism, violence, and drug use. I am just giving ONE example of cutting down a gangs influence. Your turn my friend, come up with something..

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I guess you ought to become an Evangelist, a Preacher or a Social Engineer . . I'm too old to start creating a new world order of "Nice" . . The Liberals want to allow any kind of "Free Speech", They want the government to raise the kids ("It Takes A Village"), They expect the government to protect kids from any kind of Religion (or other) that would help them learn right from wrong, but then decry the product that we have allowed . .

Local youth who choose to become criminals, whether they be gang members or just plain old individual thieves, rapists and killers never got the message . . or heard it and didn't care . .

For fifty years, we paid women to have fatherless kids, we did nothing to require those mothers to be any more than Brood Mares, no requirements of responsibility, the left saying we had no right to demand they do more than feed 'em . . if that . . those Kids grew up in abject poverty, no supervision, no encouragement to do more than screw and steal . .

And poverty breeds a lot of those types . . but poverty, hard core, generational, comes from lack of education, and cultural indifference . . Sometimes even racism from the bottom . . So to speak . . Add in a little activism preaching Victimization, PRESTO! Y'gotcha a Gangster in the least, a real hard criminal at best . . As Law Enforcement refers to 'em . . "Career Criminals"

I suppose, if we'd do a little better with the public schools, and narrow the 25-35% of those who leave the system unable to read or add and subtract, might be a start . . perhaps, demanding that the courts don't wait for a kid to become that career criminal before landing on them hard . . dunno . . there's a case where the answers aren't easy because everybody has one, and probably none of them are totally right.

The current permissive, "Constitutional" way of treating them sure as hell doesn't seem to work . . But Education might . . we don't seem to be too eager to try that one . . throw another billion and a half at the problem, just don't expect answers, solutions or results . . Another "Political Solution" from those who offer only Bullsh*t . . to hold an office of power.