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sweet_chin_music
04-05-2005, 11:18 PM
Here's a great idea from our city council....FOR ME TO POOP ON! (sorry, just saw an ad with Triumph)

http://www.chieftain.com/metro/1111475720/10

Basically, the idea is that all city residents would be required to pay for trash removal from their residence.

Now, that isn't that bad of an idea. It makes some sense for the city to require residents to chose a trash removal company. I do agree with councilmen Aguilera about "overregulating", but I doubt our town would get much cleaner if nothing happens, so why not try something new.

But here comes the part that I shake my head at....

They are considering setting fees and those fees would then vary on a "pay as you throw" sliding scale.

WHA WHA WHAT???

So instead of telling people they could choose which company they want (and they do vary in price), our council wants to set fees on how much trash we throw away?

Why am I perturbed about this? Let's examine...

#1- If they just stopped at requiring residents to choose a trash removal company, people could shop around and select the most affordable company to meet their needs. No reason for the city to do anything but sit back and watch. But noooooo, they have to interject and say how much we are going to pay.

#2- Don't kid me for a second that their rates wouldn't be higher than what is currently on the market if they control the rates. Somehow, someway they are going to figure out a way to make some revenue out of this. It may not be much, but it's nothing less than a secret tax increase.

#3- The sliding scale. So a family of five is going to have to pay more than a family of three? That doesn't seem right. Sure, they contribute more trash, but as it stands now they pay the same thing as a family of three or a family of ten. And what about the family of five living on the Eastside that is scraping by as it is? It's fair to make them pay more than a family of three living in El Camino?

#4- How are you going to measure what people throw away? What ever method, it will cost more than it currently does.

One problem that hasn't been brought up AFAIK is what happens when people figure out the easy way to get out of the higher fees is to just dump trash on the side of the road or take their trash to another bin someplace else? It's already happening now and I guaran-damn-tee that we'll see it increase 5x. Then what? The richer neighborhoods will be clean and the poorer neighborhoods will be even dirtier and our wise city council will be looking at a much bigger problem.

Is there an easy answer? Nope. But charging mandatory fees and implementing a sliding scale isn't even the hard answer.

It's the foolish one.

Chuckie
04-06-2005, 08:41 AM
I agree. The result from this one will be a lot more illegal dumping out in the prarrie. I recently noticed the results of a cleanup operation near C47 going around Bacculite Mesa. Several tires and mattresses were stacked up out there waiting for removal. Making people pay more for having a lot of trash is just going to add to this problem.

large
04-06-2005, 10:51 AM
A not so good idea in a bad place . . so to speak.

Many years ago, (20 or so) I bought property and built a home west of Pueblo . . "Out in the country" . . neat views, really rural . . and found that many people who don't have a trash service use the ditches and rural roads for their dumps . . they won't pay to dump their trash where it's supposed to go . .

My feeling is as that hasn't changed much, additional cost to "Recycle" our trash will just increase the problem . . another Governmental mandate . . . not a solution

IF . . Bill Sova feels so Emphatic about this issue and sees that it is absolutely necessary, then he should foot the bill for it. Out of his pocket! And that goes for the Health Department Goody Two Shoes also.

These are the same people who chose to tell you where to smoke, and when . .

Don't get me wrong, I'm a non smoker, and truthfully enjoy the smoke free restaurants, etc. but I was then and still am against the Government "Protecting Me from myself" . .

My 2 cents worth!

Zen Curmudgeon
04-06-2005, 01:49 PM
My feeling is as that hasn't changed much, additional cost to "Recycle" our trash will just increase the problem . . another Governmental mandate . . . not a solution
I'm with you, Large, on this one. It is a murky discussion.

I've not understood the arguments in favor of recycling. The proponents list advantages that seem to amount to more efficient use of resources, which to me sounds like a money-saving effect.

And then the discussion turns to how much I should be charged for the opportunity to help save money.

As P. J. O'Rourke said, "Giving money and power to government is like giving whisky and car keys to teenaged boys."

Take Care -

ZC

large
04-06-2005, 03:50 PM
Anytime a Bureaucrat or Politician comes up with an idea that "Is Good For YOU" . . Duck!

Recycling, Kayak courses or all and everything else that "Will pay for itself in a few years" is something to be taken VERY cynically. First thing you gotta ask, is, "Is somebody making money at this someplace?" or ask a really stupid question like . "Howcome there's no Businessmen wanting to do this, or any Banks wanting to Finance it?"

Because it's a hole in the atmosphere that we throw money into! That's why!

And you'll feel good when it's done!

I usta tell girls that . . didn't get much action . . . girls are smart about things like that !Howcome they don't understand that a Politician is a boy with an agenda . . treat him the same way and make yer husband do th' same . . the public will be far better off!

Chuckie
04-10-2005, 05:10 PM
I got to thinking about this a little more. Just how do they expect the trash services to weigh our garbage? I don't think I've ever noticed a truck in Pueblo with a scale on it. I know for a fact the one that services my neighborhood doesn't have one. He just picks it up and dumps it in the back by hand. I don't expect him to be able to pick it up and tell me exactly how much it weighs. Are our city planners REALLY expecting all the trash services in town to put up the expense to fit all their trucks with scales?

What kind of government is this that they can tell a privately owned business how much they have to charge for a service?